You’ve seen the headlines: President Joe Biden and his Justice Division are weaponizing regulation enforcement to focus on the left’s political opponents. It’s occurring with the prosecutions of Jan. 6 protesters, the relentless assaults on Trump administration officers, and former President Donald Trump himself.
The raid on Trump’s Florida house, Mar-a-Lago, was among the many most blatant efforts but by Biden’s Justice Division to punish and intimidate his political opponents—and the person who might problem him for reelection in 2024.
There are few folks extra educated in regards to the authorities’s current actions than Julie Kelly, whose fearless reporting helps shine the sunshine on what’s actually occurring. Her e-book “January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a Conflict on Terror In opposition to the Political Proper” tells the story you didn’t hear from the Jan. 6 committee.
Kelly joins “The Each day Sign Podcast” to supply an replace on the FBI raid, the Gov. Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot, Rep. Liz Cheney’s resounding defeat, and Jan. 6 defendants.
Rob Bluey: You lately wrote a bit for American Greatness titled “It’s Inevitable: Trump Shall be Indicted.” Clearly, it is a enormous story. It’s on the minds of lots of people. Inform us why you got here to that opinion.
Julie Kelly: I’ve been overlaying this Jan. 6 prosecution—I name it persecution—for the previous 19 months. I’ve learn 1000’s of courtroom paperwork from this [Department of Justice]. I’ve listened to in all probability a whole lot of hours of courtroom hearings. And I can let you know, as an observer, how shocked and horrified I’ve been listening to what’s occurring in these D.C. courtrooms associated to this prosecution.
You have got judges of each political events who take into account even low-level trespassers from Jan. 6 home terrorists. They berate these protesters, a lot of whom dedicated no violent offense, aren’t even charged with a violent offense. Nonetheless, sentencing them to 30, 60, 90 days in jail for the low-level petty offense of parading on the Capitol.
You have got judges, together with the chief decide, which I discuss in my piece, Beryl Howell, an Obama appointee, who only in the near past, as soon as once more, excoriated a defendant and accused him of listening to a political determine to commit a legal act. After all, that political determine is Donald Trump.
So this DOJ has made it very clear that they’re constructing a legal case in opposition to Donald Trump. And if he’s indicted, which I consider that he shall be, he shall be going into this extremely partisan, rabid D.C. courtroom system, who will actually let the federal government do no matter they need associated to any indictment. And Donald Trump may have a really robust time coping with any of those judges and definitely a jury.
Bluey: You talked about among the causes for that in your piece. Many of those judges, clearly, appointed by Democrat presidents. But additionally 4% or 5% of voters in D.C. supported Trump’s candidacy. So the overwhelming quantity of people that can be referred to as for a grand jury are most probably Trump critics or outright Trump opponents.
Kelly: That’s precisely proper.
I imply, you have got D.C. grand juries who had issued a whole lot of legal indictments and ridiculous costs, reminiscent of obstruction of an official continuing. Greater than 250 folks charged with obstruction of an official continuing, which is post-Enron regulation. It’s presupposed to cope with tampering with proof, not disrupting any kind of assembly by a legislature. In order that they’re criminalizing political exercise.
Additionally, you have got D.C. grand jury which have handed down 16 counts of seditious conspiracy.
This can be a cost so uncommon, no American has ever been convicted of it. And right here we have now a grand jury that’s handed down that cost in opposition to 16 protesters that day, together with principally protesters who, once more, dedicated no violent crime. These are males related to the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers.
So that is how unhinged even the D.C. grand juries are. Which is, after all, the physique that may hand out any legal indictment, felony indictment in opposition to Donald Trump.
The common juries are not any higher. We’ve had seven jury trials thus far. D.C. juries have returned unanimous responsible verdicts on each single depend, in report time. You haven’t had a single acquittal on one depend, once more, together with defendants charged with obstruction of an official continuing.
So after observing this, seeing what’s occurring, you’re proper. You’re speaking a few metropolis made up of residents, 5% who voted for Donald Trump in 2020, 4% in 2016. And virtually everybody by some means tied to the federal authorities.
Bluey: Julie, what do you make of their motives right here? Why are they so rabidly pursuing these prosecutions, or as you say, persecutions? And why do you consider that Trump is subsequent and shall be of their crosshairs?
Kelly: That is merely an extension of Crossfire Hurricane, the counterintelligence probe that Barack Obama’s DOJ and FBI opened up in opposition to the Donald Trump presidential marketing campaign in July of 2016.
For greater than six years, these rabid partisans—and let’s bear in mind, the DOJ, a lot of the Biden regime consists of longtime Obama loyalists.
For instance, Lisa Monaco is the deputy lawyer basic. She actually runs the present and she or he’s dealing with the day-to-day particulars of the Jan. 6 prosecution. She was a longtime Obama loyalist.
She was chief of workers to Robert Mueller when he was the FBI director. However extra importantly, she was Obama’s final homeland safety adviser. She was within the Obama White Home till the very remaining hours.
She was a Russia collusion architect. She was the one who directed, on behalf of the president, the intelligence neighborhood to provide you with John Brennan’s bogus report claiming that the Kremlin interfered within the 2016 election to assist Donald Trump.
She is the one operating the present.
So, for six years, you have got folks like Lisa Monaco and different Obama loyalists who’ve been attempting to get Donald Trump in handcuffs, and that is their remaining likelihood to do it, to ship on their promise to their base that they’re going to cost Donald Trump and he’s going to finish up in jail.
The issue for the Democrats, as I write in my piece, they’ve backed themselves right into a nook.
Home Democrats, the Jan. 6 committee, [Attorney General] Merrick Garland, and the media engaged on behalf of the Democrats have ratcheted this up thus far that in the event that they don’t indict Donald Trump, the Democrats pays a political value.
These Democratic voters need Democrats to lastly ship on placing Donald Trump in handcuffs. It’s actually twisted, however that’s the political local weather that we’re in proper now.
Bluey: Now, it appears although, politically, that could be the route that the Democrat and far-left base desires to go, however evidently different Individuals are soundly rejecting what they’re attempting to do. There’s deep dissatisfaction with DOJ and the FBI for his or her current actions.
Let me ask you about Rep. Liz Cheney, who was resoundingly defeated in her Republican main election. I imply, she, greater than some other Republican in Washington, has devoted her time in Congress to attacking President Trump and being a distinguished face of this Jan. 6 committee. So what are your takeaways from her defeat?
Kelly: I feel she was defeated, and resoundingly so—by practically 40 factors—for a lot of causes. …
Apparently, she lives in Washington, D.C. She’s not likely in Wyoming. I’m certain the voters there really feel that she’s not there to signify them, however to signify herself and her household. And actually, what has Liz Cheney accomplished the previous few years besides doggedly go after Donald Trump?
Look, it is a private household grudge between these two political “dynasties.” When Donald Trump took a debate stage in 2015, referred to as the Iraq Conflict, proper on to Jeb Bush’s face … one of many greatest errors in U.S. historical past, condemned Dick Cheney for repeatedly mendacity about weapons of mass destruction, he’s launched a warfare with each households—Cheney and Bush.
So we see her now, amazingly, restoring the Cheney identify within the information media.
As you understand, these are the identical individuals who wished her father strung up at The Hague on warfare crimes 10 years in the past. Now she’s a martyr and a hero. As a result of this was only a private grudge for her. She’s not interesting. She’s not engaged on behalf of her constituents. … I don’t even know what different accomplishments she has in Congress. So it was a convincing defeat.
It appears to be like like now she’s threatening to run for president. That shall be entertaining.
But it surely’s additionally a defeat for the outdated guard of the Republican Occasion, the neocons—of which I used to think about myself one—neocons who appear extra occupied with what’s occurring around the globe than defending Individuals right here and constructing our nation as a substitute of constructing “democracies” the world over. Which, as we additionally know, didn’t work.
Bluey: And he or she has Democrats in Washington cheerleading for her and, as you indicated, the legacy information media, which is simply exceptional, contemplating how they seen her father when he was in workplace.
I need to flip now to the FBI as a result of there’s a lot to cowl and unpack. You have got accomplished some phenomenal reporting. I encourage folks to comply with you on Twitter and your work at American Greatness and different locations the place you’re contributing as a result of there may be simply a lot occurring, it’s laborious to even know the place to start.
However I need to begin with the protection of the FBI’s involvement within the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot. She, after all, is the governor of Michigan who in October of 2020 revealed that a number of males have been planning to kidnap and kill her. We’ve realized quite a bit since that point. Carry us up to the mark on what’s occurring with this trial.
Kelly: It’s loopy. As you understand, Jan. 6 is my beat, proper? However I name the Whitmer fed-napping case my “Basic Hospital.” I imply … the most effective cleaning soap opera author, drama, TV fiction author on this planet couldn’t provide you with this script.
You have got what it seems, not white supremacist, militia males taking orders from Donald Trump to aim to kidnap and kill one in every of his greatest political rivals in Gretchen Whitmer. You have got an FBI entrapment scheme from begin to end.
Not less than a dozen FBI undercover brokers and informants figuring out of a number of subject workplaces with approval from the best degree at DOJ and FBI. You had the usage of drones, of airplanes.
You had these informants dragging these targets from state to state, organizing subject coaching workouts so they may report these as proof. You have got informants taking their targets as much as Gretchen Whitmer’s cottage to do “surveillance,” which was additionally used as proof.
The entire time they’re getting their targets stoned, they’re getting them drunk. They usually’re recording all of it so the federal government can use it as proof.
But it surely seems these informants are actual lowlifes. Considered one of them is a longtime informant who’s a convicted felon a number of instances over, together with convictions with intercourse with a minor. He’s figuring out of quite a few FBI subject workplaces, and dedicated at the very least two different crimes whereas working the Whitmer fed-napping hoax.
And the important thing informant, Dan Chappel—who I wrote about and I do know Tucker Carlson talked about in his present—he was paid in money and prizes roughly $60,000 by the FBI for seven months’ work, which is greater than he made in a yr as a truck driver for the Postal Service.
… The FBI paid for a $4,000 laptop computer. They purchased new tires for his automobile. They purchased him a smartwatch. When he bought his home, they paid for the loss on his house. And in December of 2020, two months after the arrests have been made, the operation was mainly over, and naturally, all of the injury to Trump was already accomplished, the FBI handed Dan Chappel an envelope of money with $23,540 in it for job properly accomplished.
That is simply scratching the floor.
So I’m tweeting—the second trial is occurring proper now. Two males have been acquitted amid a protection of FBI entrapment. They have been acquitted in April. A hung jury on two extra males. The federal government unwisely determined to attempt the remaining two defendants, coinciding at a time when DOJ and FBI’s credibility is completely imploding. I really feel very strongly these males shall be acquitted, if not one other hung jury.
However it’s exposing the ethical rot of the FBI. And that is one thing that Republicans are going to should cope with in the event that they take over the Home in November.
Bluey: And let’s discuss that for a second as a result of for a lot of of our listeners, and doubtless for Individuals extra broadly, you wouldn’t anticipate this to be occurring in our nation.
These are the varieties of issues that you’d anticipate to occur in international lands, the place we frequently suppose, “Wow, that will simply not be one thing that will happen in the USA.” And right here, it appears to be from the highest down of this Biden administration, a willingness to interact in this kind of conduct.
What are the issues that Republicans have to do ought to they reclaim management of the Home after November’s election?
Kelly: The No. 1 factor is they should maintain a sequence of public hearings so the American folks can hear precisely what this FBI has been doing, not simply associated to the raid on Mar-a-Lago, which, after all, was unprecedented and outrageous. I’ve heard so many horror tales from Individuals who’ve had their houses raided, pre-dawn raids.
Dozens of FBI brokers utilizing battering rams, military-style autos to invade their houses in entrance of their younger kids, even confiscate the cellphones of youngsters. Pointing rifles at aged ladies standing there of their nightgowns as they’re below arrest for Jan. 6 offenses.
This has been happening since January of 2021. These folks have horrific tales of how this company is traumatizing Trump supporters, hauling them off to jail. In some instances, I imply, we nonetheless have political prisoners, as I name them, who’ve been in jail now for a yr and a half awaiting trials that the identical DOJ continues to delay.
So the American folks want to listen to what this FBI is doing. This isn’t only a downside on the seventh ground of the J. Edgar Hoover Constructing in Washington, D.C. This infects each FBI subject workplace, each one of many 56 subject workplaces, as we see within the Whitmer kidnapping hoax that got here out of the Michigan subject workplace.
And right here’s a mindblower. … The particular agent in control of the Michigan FBI subject workplace, in October of 2020, after the arrests have been introduced, was promoted by [FBI Director] Christopher Wray to take over the plum project of head of the D.C. FBI subject workplace.
This was just a few months earlier than Jan. 6. There have been a number of similarities between the Whitmer fed-napping hoax and Jan. 6, together with plans to storm the Lansing Capitol.
And he can be the man who can be in control of undercover brokers and informants run out of that workplace on Jan. 6. He’s additionally the lead on the legal investigation.
Steven D’Antuono must reply a number of questions. If I used to be in control of the Republican Home, he can be my first witness to subpoena. Clarify himself within the Whitmer case and clarify any informants and undercover brokers concerned in Jan. 6, which we all know that there have been. And his abusive use of the FBI, not simply within the Mar-a-Lago raid, however in these raids throughout the nation.
Bluey: Up up to now, has he stated something? Do we all know any cause why he was doing the issues that he was doing there in Michigan and his motives now within the D.C. subject workplace?
Kelly: No, he has not been questioned by Congress. I’m certain this Democrat Congress desires to disregard him utterly, for good cause.
And I additionally direct folks to Darren Beattie’s reporting at revolver.information, who’s accomplished in depth detailed investigative reporting on the alleged pipe bombers.
Steven D’Antuono is the one who talked in regards to the pipe bombers, provided this $100,000 reward to search out the alleged pipe bomber, however there’re all kinds of lacking items about this alleged pipe bomber.
And Steven D’Antuono must reply questions on that, too. Why there’s lacking video of the alleged bomber the evening earlier than. How the Secret Service missed the alleged explosive machine sitting proper outdoors [Democratic National Committee] headquarters once they took Kamala Harris there the morning of Jan. 6.
There are a number of unanswered questions in regards to the alleged pipe bomber, which, as you understand, set off the preliminary panic on Jan. 6 and simply occurred to be discovered by a girl who works for a authorities company that had simply obtained a $92 million grant by, guess who? The FBI.
So this simply appears to be one other a kind of hoaxes tied to a authorities inside job, which I name Jan. 6. And Steven D’Antuono must reply questions in regards to the pipe bomber. Why they haven’t recognized or caught this alleged perpetrator, why there’s so many sketchy features about it. And definitely, most significantly, what he did to deploy his FBI brokers utilizing informants to entrap harmless males to wreck Donald Trump earlier than the 2020 election.
Bluey: Julie, there’s actually a sample right here, as you talked about with the pipe bomb, with the Trump raid at Mar-a-Lago. Plainly even though we, the American folks, are those paying for these authorities assets and the salaries of those FBI brokers, they’re withholding vital info from us, the American folks, that we should know.
Do you ever consider that we’ll have the ability to be taught the reality? Even when Republicans are in a position to maintain hearings, I’m personally skeptical that this deep state in Washington shall be resistant, even when there’s a change of palms in Congress.
Kelly: Sure. I be part of you in that skepticism as a result of right here’s the factor. What occurs when the Republicans—in the event that they do. And I feel there’s rising curiosity or rising acceptance of the concept the federal businesses who focused Donald Trump his total presidency additionally orchestrated a lot of the occasions of Jan. 6.
What’s going to Republicans do once they learn the way deeply concerned the FBI was? Deploying informants into the identical kind of militia teams months earlier than Jan. 6, serving to them to direct their targets—similar to they did within the Whitmer fed-napping hoax—surveilling them.
And naturally, we all know that there have been a whole lot of elite FBI brokers, together with the Hostage Rescue Workforce—which was additionally the group that arrested the Whitmer alleged kidnappers in October—Hostage Rescue Workforce, elite commando squads at Quantico the weekend earlier than the Capitol protest.
Now, what precisely have been these FBI brokers doing? Moreover, doesn’t that kind of contradict the narrative the American folks have been instructed? That the FBI, regulation enforcement, everybody was caught off guard that day. That Donald Trump riled all these folks up at his speech and he ordered his “armed mob” to storm the Capitol, and no one knew what was coming.
Effectively, if that’s the case, then why have been there a whole lot of elite FBI brokers at Quantico the weekend earlier than? What did they do on Jan. 6? Why weren’t they there to guard the Capitol and work with native regulation enforcement companions to safe, not simply the Capitol constructing, however your entire metropolis?
So what occurs when Republicans lastly confront the realities of Jan. 6? They’ll should do one thing. They’ll should do one thing drastic, like utterly dismantle the FBI, lower off main sources of funding to the Justice Division. Have they got the center to do this? I don’t suppose this management crowd does, in any way.
Bluey: The American persons are actually going to demand that one thing occurs. The rising frustration with what’s going down and the truth that they’re unafraid to go after anyone as distinguished and necessary as former President Trump signifies that they may come for anyone. And with current information that the IRS is including 87,000 new brokers, there’s many causes to be involved. Republicans shall be anticipated to push again on this administration’s agenda.
I need to return to the place we began. In your e-book “January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a Conflict on Terror In opposition to the Political Proper,” you have got accomplished extra maybe than anyone else when it comes to telling the tales of the people who’re being prosecuted. You’ve shared with us the ways in which the system is stacked in opposition to them in D.C.
I need you to start by telling us the story of Paul Hodgkins and the way he’s personally suffered, just a little bit about who he’s, and among the issues that you just’re doing to attempt to share his story with the broader public.
Kelly: Paul Hodgkins lives in a lower-class space of Tampa. A Trump supporter. He was working as a mechanic on heavy industrial autos.
He took a bus, alone, on Jan. 5 to go to the Capitol, to see the president on Jan. 6. He went to the president’s speech. He walked to the Capitol, once more, touring alone. There, after all, have been Trump supporters. A whole lot of them there.
He entered the Capitol constructing. He went to the Senate chambers. He was there similtaneously Jacob Chansley, the QAnon shaman.
Paul Hodgkins had a Trump flag. He waved his flag within the Senate chambers after it had been evacuated, and he left. He didn’t deliver a weapon. He didn’t assault anybody. Didn’t vandalize any property. So far as he knew, he was being allowed into the constructing.
Once more, individuals who’ve by no means been within the Capitol—and you understand this—it’s an enormous constructing. How these folks discovered the Senate chambers, would like to see that on the surveillance video we’ll by no means see.
However anyway, nonetheless, he was arrested. Charged with the obstruction of an official continuing felony and different low-level misdemeanor offenses. His lawyer, who didn’t do an excellent job, inspired him to plead responsible to the obstruction cost. He was the second particular person to plead responsible to obstruction, however the first one to be sentenced publicly.
And in his sentencing listening to earlier than Decide Randolph Moss, one other Obama appointee, Paul Hodgkins begged for mercy. He lives alone. If he would go to jail for any prolonged period of time, he would lose his job. He had an apprenticeship, apparently, to raised his employment. He was renting a part of a home, he was going to lose that. He was going to lose his pets.
Begged for mercy. After all, acquired none. Was sentenced to eight months in jail for obstruction of an official continuing, a nonviolent crime by no means supposed for use this fashion. That is an Andrew Weissmann, Robert Mueller specialty. And this poor man spent eight months in jail, then a midway home, and now he’s on probation for 2 years.
That is what these persons are enduring. Paul is only one of many tales. However after I listened to his sentencing listening to in July of 2021 … I broke down. I imply, I felt so horrible for this man. I used to be so enraged on the prosecutors and the judges and this decide.
But it surely actually made me understand what this authorities was going to do to Trump supporters. Completely no mercy. And they’re sickeningly gratified by inflicting ache on Trump supporters.
There’s no cause for somebody like Paul Hodgkins to go to jail for eight months. The identical DOJ is letting off 2020 rioters. That total entire summer time of violence, rioting, dying, and destruction has been memory-holed by this DOJ. But they’re throwing folks like Paul Hodgkins in jail for eight months.
Jacob Chansley, the QAnon shaman, after 317 days in solitary confinement, this DOJ tortured a plea deal out of him. He’ll spend 41 months in jail on the identical obstruction cost. That is what not simply Trump-supporting Individuals are coping with on this D.C. courtroom, however that is what Donald Trump shall be up in opposition to as soon as they indict him.
Bluey: Julie, you’ve made the choice to donate a portion of your e-book proceeds to the Patriot Freedom Venture. Inform us about that group and different ways in which Individuals who’re annoyed can take motion and do one thing.
Kelly: Thanks a lot for bringing that up. So it is a fund—there was no funding obtainable. There have been no attorneys obtainable for these Jan. 6 defendants. There’s an enormous vacuum on the fitting, as I’m certain you understand, of authorized organizations who will step up and assist Individuals who’re being persecuted by this authorities for his or her political actions and views.
So Cynthia Hughes, who’s the adoptive aunt of one of many political prisoners, Tim Hale, she actually began this fund. And never solely is she serving to to pay for legal protection attorneys for among the defendants, extra importantly, she’s serving to households who’re being utterly bankrupted and destroyed.
Even people who find themselves arrested on misdemeanor costs, they have been instantly fired. Take into consideration that. Individuals who have been accused of committing misdemeanors misplaced their job just because it was associated to Jan. 6.
So she helps these households who desperately want it to pay for college provides, to assist pay for lease every now and then, utility payments, simply the fundamentals. These persons are barely getting by. In order that’s at patriotfreedomproject.com.
I’ve contributed proceeds of my e-book. I’ve directed different donors there. Dinesh D’Souza and his spouse donated $100,000. So when persons are in search of a way to assist, I might direct them to patriotfreedomproject.com.
Bluey: And Julie, inform our listeners how they’ll comply with your work, get the e-book, and preserve tabs on the entire nice reporting that you just’re doing.
Kelly: All my work may be discovered at amgreatness.com. I’m overlaying the Whitmer trial as a lot as I can in actual time on Twitter, @julie_kelly2. And my e-book may be discovered on Amazon and Barnes & Noble.
Bluey: Julie Kelly, thanks a lot once more for the work you’re doing. And thanks for telling the story that so many legacy media retailers refuse to share and the tales of the people who find themselves dealing with the prosecution for his or her protest on Jan. 6. It’s really unhappy to listen to about them, however we’re hopeful and grateful to folks such as you for serving to us shine the sunshine on what’s occurring.
Kelly: I’m so grateful for you, Rob, for overlaying my work. I actually respect it as a result of I do know you’re getting this out to a very completely different viewers. And so I’m very grateful. Thanks.
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